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    MVP for the Past 35 Years

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    Post by khyndr3d Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:54 pm

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    Multiple time winners

    Ramon Fernandez - 4
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    Alvin Patrimonio - 4
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    Bogs Adornado - 3
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    Benjie Paras - 2
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    Danny Ildefonso - 2
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    Willie Miller - 2
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    Post by supr3mo Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:11 pm

    kapoyubra wrote:Number 1 reason kung bakit ka MVP is nanalo ka ng Championship, kahit mbaba ka sa stats ok lng yun..

    MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 1425626372 to PBAdddicts kapoyubra
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    Post by kion Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:37 pm

    Sa totoo lang, I still don't get it bakit kailangan isama ang media sa pagpili ng magiging MVP (and to note sila pa ang may pinakamalaking factor sa pagpili ng magiging MVP).. Isn't it the players who knows best who should win the award? Lately kasi nahahaluan na ng politics ang MVP voting.. Arwind should have won 2 MVPs if not for that media vote.. Hindi ko talaga magets bakit ayaw nila sa kanya..
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    Post by Beerman42 Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:41 pm

    Wala na yung mga panahon na may MVP tayo na kagaya nina Allan Caidic,Ramon Fernandez,Ato Agustin,Flying A,Alvin Patrimonio,Kenneth Duremdez,Vergel Meneses.and the likes,pag sinabing MVP,mining,pinaka magaling na player sa loob ng isang taon,hayss
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    Post by kion Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:45 pm

    Tama ka GMOD.. Lately talaga, kung sino ang pinaka popular sya ang nananalo.. Hayst! If you look at the list of MVPs, from '98 pababa, wala tayong duda sa mga yan, pero medyo '99 pataas may doubts tayo sa ilan at hindi mag-agree ang isa't-isa.. I'm sorry for SMB fans, Danny Seigle and Arwind Santos may be regarded as the Best PBA Players to Have Never Won an MVP Award.. i'm still hoping this is not the case, especially for Arwind..
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    Post by Jazzper Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:46 am

    kionkobe wrote:Tama ka GMOD.. Lately talaga, kung sino ang pinaka popular sya ang nananalo.. Hayst! If you look at the list of MVPs, from '98 pababa, wala tayong duda sa mga yan, pero medyo '99 pataas may doubts tayo sa ilan at hindi mag-agree ang isa't-isa.. I'm sorry for SMB fans, Danny Seigle and Arwind Santos may be regarded as the Best PBA Players to Have Never Won an MVP Award.. i'm still hoping this is not the case, especially for Arwind..
    Mod Kion, don't forget Caguioa.

    If not for the media votes, he could have won some MVP awards. Sayang.
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    Post by nyze_mc47 Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:16 pm

    james yap mananalo kasi anak ng media din yan eh.. ung ikalawa MVP nyan questionable dahil lng sa media. same story goes like arwind and Jimmy. J-wash that time was the top performer & BPC and won FInals. nanalo c james kasi siniraan sya ng kanyang asawa who is "Star of all Media".. kaya yung mga media nki-simpatya sa knya... his first MVP no doubt but the second time??? its Media Valuable Player... Prediction on upcoming MVPs? It will be MC47, Arwind, Jwash and castro.

    NYZE

    super agree po ako dito..san si mc 47 po..hehehe
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    Post by Rollinrl Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:26 pm

    ok
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    Post by Nasty Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:32 pm

    kion wrote:Sa totoo lang, I still don't get it bakit kailangan isama ang media sa pagpili ng magiging MVP (and to note sila pa ang may pinakamalaking factor sa pagpili ng magiging MVP).. Isn't it the players who knows best who should win the award? Lately kasi nahahaluan na ng politics ang MVP voting.. Arwind should have won 2 MVPs if not for that media vote.. Hindi ko talaga magets bakit ayaw nila sa kanya..

    I agree dapat tlga mas malki ang quotient or factor ng players than media (baka kc marami sa media bading kya mahilig sa pogi hahahhaa ) jk peaceguys...
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    Post by Dee.Cubed Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:14 pm

    Nasty wrote:
    kion wrote:Sa totoo lang, I still don't get it bakit
    kailangan isama ang media sa pagpili ng magiging MVP (and to note sila
    pa ang may pinakamalaking factor sa pagpili ng magiging MVP).. Isn't it
    the players who knows best who should win the award? Lately kasi
    nahahaluan na ng politics ang MVP voting.. Arwind should have won 2 MVPs
    if not for that media vote.. Hindi ko talaga magets bakit ayaw nila sa
    kanya..

    I agree dapat tlga mas malki ang quotient or
    factor ng players than media (baka kc marami sa media bading kya mahilig
    sa pogi hahahhaa ) jk peaceguys...

    i guess because the MVP Award is not only about the stats but also of the VALUE and attitude of the player... there are times kasi na lone offensive or lone defensive player si santos and it creates invisible stats that the public only can see... MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 3664114635
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    Post by Mon23 Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:56 am

    Gary David should win it this year, basta pumasok lang sa finals ulit Powerade, talk about consistency among locals every year, Arwind Santos will also win a MVP award, at palagi malakas Petron with their lineup contending each conference, baka si Spiderman ang maging first back-to-back MVP awardee since Danny I in 2001.
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    Post by pjvital Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:34 pm

    Nasty wrote:
    kion wrote:Sa totoo lang, I still don't get it bakit kailangan isama ang media sa pagpili ng magiging MVP (and to note sila pa ang may pinakamalaking factor sa pagpili ng magiging MVP).. Isn't it the players who knows best who should win the award? Lately kasi nahahaluan na ng politics ang MVP voting.. Arwind should have won 2 MVPs if not for that media vote.. Hindi ko talaga magets bakit ayaw nila sa kanya..

    I agree dapat tlga mas malki ang quotient or factor ng players than media (baka kc marami sa media bading kya mahilig sa pogi hahahhaa ) jk peaceguys...



    Hahaha... matagal na pa lang post ito pero ngayon ko lang nabasa... Masakit mang isipin pero TOTOO talaga to... napaka daming nominated na players ang karapat dapat na ma MVP pero dahil nga hindi sila "TYPE" ng media.. laglag na.. at sana kahit hindi mag champion ang isang team e pwede pa ding ma MVP ang isang player nila.. kung di ka man palabati sa media, or kesyo di ka nakiki socialite sa labas, hindi dapat na basehan yun sa pagpili.. kaya nga most valuable player e, hindi most valuable person..
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    Post by Kcem10 Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:53 pm

    wla pa player galing sa Ateneo at La salle na naging MVP... tsk tsk
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    Post by elvince15 Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:53 pm

    jason castro yan at gary david hahaha
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    Post by devil unleashed Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:31 am

    fuji-san wrote: STATS MEDIA PLAYERS SOLAR PBA

    James Yap - 362 1300 15 600 300
    LA Tenorio - 345 611 133 300 150
    Washington - 334 243 129 50


    These stats alone will tell you everything.

    Stats should have weighed heavier than everything else there, after all this is a sport where performance inside the court is all that matters. Player votes should have come second and the rest follows.

    Again nothing to blame but these laid rules which were used since time immemorial. James Yap and all these players were just victims of this circumstance.
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    Post by kaliphsto24 Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:17 pm

    2002 MVP Miller - questionable hehe.. mvp tapos wala pa 10ppg ?LOL.

    MVP James Yap - 2x MVP na 1beses lang nanalo ng BPC. ibig sabhin hnd sya yun Best/valuable player nun 2006 tama po ba?
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    Post by al_dwin Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:35 am

    ^^ JJ Helterbrand - 2009 MVP! Hindi man lang nag-Champion during that year!

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    Post by kaliphsto24 Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:26 pm

    al_dwin wrote:^^ JJ Helterbrand - 2009 MVP! Hindi man lang nag-Champion during that year!

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    ^
    tanong lang po, questionable ba ang pagkapanalo jan?i think maganda ang stat nya tapos back2back bpc sya jan,yup ntalo cla sa finals against smb.

    try mo compare yun case ni miller at yap jan naku naku, alam na hahaha.
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    Post by BasketBallFan Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:32 pm

    kaliphsto24 wrote:
    al_dwin wrote:^^ JJ Helterbrand - 2009 MVP! Hindi man lang nag-Champion during that year!

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    ^
    tanong lang po, questionable ba ang pagkapanalo jan?i think maganda ang stat nya tapos back2back bpc sya jan,yup ntalo cla sa finals against smb.

    try mo compare yun case ni miller at yap jan naku naku, alam na hahaha.

    nag champion naman sila...

    MVP nga at BPC pa, hinde naman champion, aw
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    Post by kaliphsto24 Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:40 pm

    BasketBallFan wrote:
    kaliphsto24 wrote:


    ^
    tanong lang po, questionable ba ang pagkapanalo jan?i think maganda ang stat nya tapos back2back bpc sya jan,yup ntalo cla sa finals against smb.

    try mo compare yun case ni miller at yap jan naku naku, alam na hahaha.

    nag champion naman sila...

    MVP nga at BPC pa, hinde naman champion, aw

    yes!champ ang purefoods nun 2006. ang tanong deserving ba manalo si yap ng mvp award that time?sa pagkakatanda ko si siegle afc bpc tpos si evil fiesta bpc.. tapos ang battle cry ni kerby ako ang tunay na mvp, mali po ba?pki tama nlng kng my mali s nsabi q slmat.
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    Post by al_dwin Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:52 pm

    kaliphsto24 wrote:
    al_dwin wrote:^^ JJ Helterbrand - 2009 MVP! Hindi man lang nag-Champion during that year!

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    ^
    tanong lang po, questionable ba ang pagkapanalo jan?i think maganda ang stat nya tapos back2back bpc sya jan,yup ntalo cla sa finals against smb.

    try mo compare yun case ni miller at yap jan naku naku, alam na hahaha.

    Buti nagpakita ka, akala ko magtatago ka naman.

    Back to Back BPC? Sigurado ka? MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 2419920719
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    Post by feroza Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:57 pm

    excerpt from: http://www.pbaddicts.net/t19030-jolas-admires-the-spark#345725

    feroza wrote:selecting an MVP has always been tricky, even in the NBA. you can never rely on stats alone because there are basketball intangibles that don't show up in stats but you can never ignore the stats either because it's a player's proof of his value and hardwork.

    why the media votes? I THINK, because they are the ones who cover the games, whether or not their favorite team is playing, day in and day out. if they are not experts at the beginning of their careers, no one is actually, they will be eventually as they go along covering the games. they see each games no matter what so they can compare the values of ever player more than those who do not watch every games.

    now, one can argue that every member of the media who cast their votes has their own biases. of course! that's a no-brainer because in any contest where the votes of some people are taken into consideration to determine a winner is marred with biases. then again, as i have said above, you cannot take the stats alone in determining the MVP.

    what is the possible solution? or possible solutions? MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 3974914884 i have no idea! MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 3090769472 even if we put respected and experienced experts like ed picson, quinito henson, jaemark tordecilla and ronnie nathanielsz into the panel, they will still have their biases, no matter how little.

    dagdag ko lang regarding player votes:

    player votes have their own biases, of course. candidate A may be player A's close friend while candidate B and player A don't go along well. even if candidate B is the better player or more deserving of the award than candidate A, who do you think will player A vote? MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 315482386
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    Post by kion Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:58 pm

    The MVP award, I believe, is given prior to the start of Game 4 in the finals.. And if I'm not mistaken Ginebra was up 2-1 against the eventual champion San Miguel Beermen when the award was given to JJ Helterbrand.. Back then, the PBA is still in a 2 conference format, so it was only Talk 'N Text who had a crown during the awarding ceremonies.. Since we are still unsure, back then, of who will win the championship in the import-laden conference, do you say might as well give it to a TNT fan to ascertain that the player who will win the MVP had won a title during that year?
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    Post by al_dwin Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:07 pm

    The thing is, mas mabigat in terms of STATS ang AFC compared to import laced that's why some fans (including me) nagtaka why JJ won the award.

    Then si Kalipshto, asking if James is deserving? Lol! Pamatay ang media! MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 2419920719
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    Post by al_dwin Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:09 pm

    Kalipshto, naggo-google ka pa ba sa back to back "BPC" ni JJ? MVP for the Past 35 Years - Page 2 3036159741
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    Post by rubpas Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:11 pm

    masakit man tanggapin pero may hokus pokus sa mvp award na yan.... parang showbiz din yan...

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